Q&A: Veteran leader speaks about dissidents, Castro and the U.S. role
Before becoming the principal officer at the U.S. Interests Section in
Havana in September 1999, Vicki Huddleston -- a career foreign service
officer and former ambassador -- had worked in Africa, Haiti and Latin
America.
She had also worked on Cuba issues before, as deputy coordinator and
then coordinator of the State Department's Office of Cuban Affairs from
1989 to 1993.
Her interest in the world beyond her Arizona home began as a Peace
Corps volunteer in Peru, where she organized the financing for two
housing cooperatives in Arequipa. Then she worked in Peru and Brazil for
the American Institute for Free Labor Development.
After her stint on the State Department's Cuba desk, she was named
deputy chief of the U.S. Mission in Port-au-Prince from 1993 to 1995
during the deployment of the multinational force meant to restore
democracy in Haiti. As the top U.S. diplomat in the troubled nation, she
held meetings at her home with top Haitian commanders and was attacked
by members of a mob
protesting U.S. interference in their country. They pounded on her car
at the port as she arrived to
greet some 200 American soldiers and 25 Canadian military trainers as part
of a 1,300-member U.N.
military and police contingent arriving in Haiti to prepare for the return
of President Jean-Bertrand
Aristide.
In 1994-1995, she and other members of the U.S. Embassy in Haiti were honored
with the
Distinguished Service Award and the Award for Valor for their efforts in
an extremely hostile
environment. She was then named United States ambassador to the Republic
of Madagascar from 1995
to 1997 and spent the two years after that as Deputy Assistant Secretary
for African Affairs.
Her tour of duty ends in September. She has been more vocal in recent months
in defense of island
dissidents and in her criticism of the Cuban government.
Huddleston was in South Florida recently for the presentation of a $1 million
grant from the United
States Agency for International Development to the University of Miami's
Institute of Cuban and Cuban
American Studies. The money is for the institute's Cuba Transition Project,
which seeks to study issues
that may face Cubans in a transition to democracy.
Huddleston, who also met with journalists and commanders at the U.S. Southern
Command, spent
several hours with Herald staff writer Elaine de Valle:
Q: What headway or impact has the opposition in Cuba made in the past few years?
A: I think people in Cuba see them as speaking for them. It's hard for
me or anybody to say what
Cuban people think, but the fact that 10 years ago we had a relatively
small group and principally in
Havana, and now it has spread through the country -- and not just human
rights activists but
independent journalists, independent libraries, independent clinics, farmer
cooperatives -- is very
significant. They're expressing the will of the Cuban people to have free
expression, to have a choice in
their future. Obviously, in [Cuba], these people are receiving no publicity.
In Granma, nothing is printed
on these people. So who they are known to -- at least people like Elizardo
Sánchez, Osvaldo Payá,
Marta Beatriz Roque, Vladimiro Roca -- they are known to the international
community, the international
press, people who listen to Radio Martí, obviously the people who
live around them and the other
people in the movement. Look at the Varela Project [which calls for a plebiscite
guaranteed by the 1976
Constitution] as an example. That is Payá's project, but other groups
are supporting the idea that there
should be a referendum on the type of government in Cuba. That's spread
solely by word of mouth.
I think most of the medical doctors know who Marta Beatriz Roque is because
she has tried to help
doctors who want to leave, who want to be reunited with their families.
But I don't know if dissidents is the correct term for them. First of all,
they are peaceful, and they follow
democratic means. Should we call them oppositionists, dissidents or activists?
Activists may be the best
word for them. They are people active in the struggle to create a change
in Cuba. Marta Beatriz and
Elizardo are getting information out of Cuba on what's happening to the
activists: who has been jailed.
Who is under house arrest. Payá is asking the government to permit
a vote on the type of government.
What we have to look for is more Martas, more Elizardos, more Osvaldos.
Q: How can the U.S. help? And should it?
A: Certainly we should play a role. Any kind of role we play is going to
be opposed by the Cuban
government. They are going to say we are interfering with a domestic issue.
But of course we should
play a role. All over the world, the United States defends and supports
human rights and developing
democracies. . . That is why using the [Agency for International Development]
money is very useful.
Because it's going to help the Cuban people prepare for the future.
There can't be a think tank in Cuba to explore these questions: How are
we going to move in this
direction? How are we going to have elections? But if people outside of
Cuba can do it, particularly if it
includes contributions from people inside Cuba to legitimize it, it can
be a very good thing. We can be a
signpost: The way to a democracy is through human rights and freedom.
The American government can't do much more. But the American people can
do two things. Number
one, they can participate in outreach, by sending books, subscribing to
The Miami Herald and El Nuevo
Herald and sending newspapers. If they are confiscated, good. Then the
Customs person can read it.
They can send money to buy computers and illegal satellite dishes. They
can send medicine to start
independent clinics. So that you can empower the Cuban people enough so
that they have a certain
protection from their own government. So they don't have to rely on the
government for everything. By
sending medicines to independent doctors, for example, their community
starts to protect them
because they can get medicine from them and they can't get them anywhere
else. If you have them
and share them, you gain a certain leadership position.
Number two I think is in some ways harder for Cuban Americans -- and as
a non-Cuban American, I
should tread lightly because I haven't had their experiences and history.
But Cubans on the island are
afraid of the future, of what that future holds. And Cuban Americans can
explain to their friends and
family that it's a brighter future. A future in which they can earn a fair
wage for their work, where they
can travel freely, where their children will have an opportunity for a
better job or house so they don't
have to move back in with Mom and Dad. It's important that Cuban Americans
in the United States be
seen by Cuban people as their friends and supporters. . . The exile community
has become the enemy
or has been made into the enemy, and the Cuban American people have to
overcome that image . . .
There is a special effort by the Cuban government to make them the enemy.
Q: What does the average Cuban on the island think of the Cuban exile community?
A: That's hard for me to answer. It depends on the education level. If
they are not very educated, if
they live in a rural area, they probably believe what they hear in the
state-run media and in the rallies,
which is not good. But if they are more sophisticated and listen to Radio
Martí, or if you're at the
university or work at a hospital, then you're likely not going to believe
the negative propaganda. You're
probably aware the Cuban American community does not represent a threat
to you. But if you're a
farmer in a rural area, or a teacher or a guard placed outside my house,
you might believe what the
Cuban government tells you. There is a billboard in Cuba that says ``There
are a million children who
will sleep in the street tonight. Not one is Cuban.''
Cuban Americans need to take every opportunity to overcome that image.
So that when they're on
radio talking about the future of Cuba when the government is gone, they
need to talk about how
there are going to be lines of communication that they're going to build,
that there will be investment
and an exchange of ideas, that there will be educational opportunity and
cooperation. That's what we
need to be talking about to get this message through.
Q: Does Fidel Castro enjoy much support still?
A: I remember going to this baseball game and the whole crowd is going,
'Fidel! Fidel! Fidel!' There are
clearly groups that find it very much in their interest to support the
government. The military, the
security forces, and people in important places of power, for example.
Then you have everybody else
who needs to keep their job or get their child into a particular school
or get an opportunity to go out of
the country or get a gift of a fan or a bicycle. So it's difficult for
me to say how widespread is the
support for Fidel and the government. If the Cuban government, as it says,
enjoys wide support, why
don't they test it? Why not a plebiscite on the government? Why not an
election? A true election with
international observation, as internal dissidents call for.
Q: Many people point to an increase in visits by U.S. lawmakers and business
people, as well as Cuba's
historic purchase of $35 million of grain and recent comments by Raúl
Castro about increased
cooperation in the area of drug trafficking enforcement, migration and
anti-terrorism tasks, as a
warming of relations between Washington and Havana. Is it true?
A: No, there's not a warming of relations. But there's certainly a charm
offensive on the part of the
Cuban government. Nothing has changed in the relationship and nothing will
change as long as Cuba
doesn't make fundamental changes that President Bush has laid out, and
the administration has said
that the particular concern in the case of Cuba is human rights, civil
liberties and free elections in Cuba.
Q: Should Cuba be removed from the list of terrorist states?
A: Cuba knows what it has to do to get off the list of terrorist states,
and that is simply not to give safe
haven to terrorist groups as it has in the past. We suspect, and in some
cases we know, that they
have provided safe harbor to members of the ETA [Basque separatists], other
leftist movements of
Latin America, the macheteros [pro-independence radicals in Puerto Rico]
and the 70-some fugitives
from the United States [the FBI believes that 77 federal fugitives are
in Cuba, including former CIA
agent Frank Terpil, a convicted arms trafficker, and Robert Vesco, indicted
in a multimilliion dollar fraud].
Those are not terrorists, but they are still fugitives from justice. Cuba
is not the player it once was on
the world stage. Ten or 15 years ago, Cuba was a major player and Fidel
had a large platform. It's
much smaller now. . . . I don't see Cuba even as a leader on the Caribbean
stage. I see more
democratic Caribbean countries taking leadership roles.
Cuba is still sending doctors all over the world. They are still a leader
in the arts and in sports. That's
where Cuba is a leader. It is also a leader in the third-world bloc in
the international forum because
they help articulate the needs and opinions of other third-world countries.
I would think Cuba could
become a positive leader in the Caribbean and developing world as a democracy.
[Cubans], as they've
proved in the United States and also on the island, have an enormous wealth
of talent and ability.
Q: Should travel restrictions to Cuba be lifted?
A: The problem with the lifting of travel restrictions is that the Cubans
control it because they issue the
visas. They can put quotas. They can decide to allow only the tourists
going to Varadero and Cayo Coco
and ensure they have very little contact with the Cuban people. And all
that will do, initially, is fill the
government coffers and build up the regime. It's ironic because what you
need is for the government to
respond to the current economic crisis by opening up, by letting Cubans
own and operate their own
businesses, by letting them invest, letting them stay at hotels. [In Cuba,]
the economy is shrinking. It is
too dependent on tourism and remittances. Their way of fixing the problem
is to fill up the hotels. A far
preferable way . . . would be to grow the economy by letting the people
invest in their community by
starting small businesses -- not just restaurants and taxis and services,
but also . . . creating products.
You have natural capitalists in Cuba, and the proof of that is in the cars
they have and how they take
care of them. If allowed to work independently, they would create wealth
through their own labor . . .
Q: Are conditions in Cuba ripe for another mass exodus?
A: No, the weather is bad. [chuckle]. It is essential that our migratory
laws be observed for the security
of our nation's borders. We are also very concerned about the tragic loss
of life that results from illegal
migration. I can understand the frustrations of young people who want a
better life, but they must also
think about their families and their futures. They have many years in front
of them -- Cuba will change --
and they will want to be alive to enjoy this new future in Cuba. Also,
there are numerous Cubans that
could qualify to legally immigrate to the U.S.. I hope family members will
petition for their loved ones in
Cuba. A wait of a few years is much more desirable than a risky and life-threatening
illegal sea voyage.